#363 Daily Source Code for Thursday March 30th 2006
From The Curry Cottage, Guildford, UK
- DSCpromo-Wichita
- 01_-_Magic_Carpet-1
* allegedpodshowcontract
- Feedback on taking names in vain_swearing from the Financial Aid
Podcast
- Madg_VS_Earthlink Fairies
- GT winner
- RNR GEEK SHOW Promo
- PodshowPromo
- csb-2006-03-29-b
- BOC ideas from jc
- jc quit your-quit your day job-job
- Soccer Girl GoDaddy
- France
- dsc_03-28-06-p2m
- pod2mobkevincmason
- Grandma_1
NewLeaf ; Thank You!
Wow, that was fast today!
From DGAP:
Adam, how about some more info about your reasons for believing that pod2mob.com are ringtone operators. And if they are, how is that bad?
I am suspicious of the fact that you went on to complain about Geoff Smith being ripped off by ringtone operators, thereby creating a negative association between pod2mob and unlawful behaviour.
Clearly, pod2mob.com are a competitor to Podshow. I think you need to very careful about how you refer to your competition. Hell, some people might think that you were trying to frighten podcasters away from pod2mon.com.
And, for the sake of transparency, I signed up with them yesterday. If they turn out to be clowns I will have the Calmcast removed. I am interested in podcasting breaking out of this little gang where we are all stood around pissing into the same pot.
At the moment, there are way more potential listeners who have mobile phones than have iPods. Go figure…
Maybe for testing purposes, you should have the odds of the golden ticket much lower, perhaps 1 in 1000 or 1 in 100, but have it be the first step in winning rather than the last step?
For example, if you adjust the odds to award 1000 golden tickets with the ticket saying something like “The prize goes to the first email to with the subject “Purple Wombats”, you would still only have one winner… but you would get a much better idea of how effective the DGAP system is with distribution. You would also have fewer worries about when people listen affecting the test.
On another topic, a lot of the advertising concepts you talk about remind me of the early advertisements on television and radio, where stations would arrange sponsors and the shows would figure out the ads themselves, such as Milton Berle holding up the product and saying it’s good, and the shows that would base entire skits around the sponsor’s product. If that’s what you’re talking about, I very much agree that it’s a more effective way to go. Not all advertising needs to be commoditized.
Dude, I’m a British podcaster – not a regular commenter but I’m around if you need to hit me up for anything.
In five years, are we really going to have an .mp3 player and a mobile phone? Eventually, someone will get the convergence thing right. Seems like on so many levels these mod2pod people have a lame business model.
Todd, I would bet that Apple will do it by this time next year. The is already talk of the fist iPhone coming out by the year end. I would certainly pay to be able to carry around one less peice of kit.
Todd, I think it is very likely we will still have seperate phones and mp3 players for more than 5 years. Just think, in this age of tv’s, cd players, cassettes and mp3 players most people still have radios….there was never a convergence there on the personal/portable level. Same with many other things….convergence is nice…but most people prefer simple tools…that do one or two things well…
Adam, as a german I’d have no problem giving up a bit of job security if I in turn was paid more money and had to pay less taxes, like US citizens do. It’s called the Government Expenditure as Percent of GDP.
What happens in France is that workers lose rights to companies and if they feel that this threatens the balance between those parties they have every right to protest. I’d call that a sign of a working democracy and social market economy.
Oh Bob! You’re so opening the door for me to make a point about our differing generations…But, I’ll go easy on that one!
No convergence? Must be another Pre-April Fools joke? You can’t be serious….
My radio plays AM/FM/Tapes/CDs and digital. I have a TV with a built in VCR. I have a PDA that plays .MP3s. I have a refrigerator that makes ice, and a car that has both heat and air-conditioning…History proves convergence is inevitable.
Yes Todd, I have all those things too…it’s not an age thing…my point is while these ‘convergence” items do come out, they aren’t usually as popular as the indviidual items ESPECIALLY when it comes to the handheld/portable level.
Flynn: Interesting point. What is income tax % in France?
btw, I didn’t say they don’t have the right to protest, but burning down the country?
Christine: I’m new to the world of podcasting but am overWHELMINGLY excited about the fact that for the first time in quite a few years, there is something new in the tech world that could truly change the way media is created and received. Though the word “media” is often misused to refer to advertising, I am referring more to “mass communication.”
I am worried for podcasting though. Although growth in the podcasting community requires money and money tends to come in the form of sponsorships, I fear that because podcasting is still in its infancy, podcasters and listeners are greatly outnumbered by the corporations and advertising agencies with nothing but $$’s on their mind. Unless we are ALL actively aware of what is at stake, both as podcasters AND listeners, the podcasting community may very well follow the footsteps of mainstream television and radio and be swarmed with adverts.
Yes. There is money to be made in podcasting. There is also the potential to create amazing communities, share in the thoughts and ideas of people who would otherwise not be heard and grow into something of movement. The lines are already being drawn between those who wish to get rich quick and those who see the social potential in podcasting.
The time is now to decide where you stand.
Adam, The French have a long history of OTT protest. The citizenary are way more powerful than here in the UK or the USA. It’s not that long ago that the French jailed a farmer for attacking a McDonalds. When he was released, he was treated as a national hero.
The French hold there ‘masters’ in contempt. I don’t think that they are right this time, but what we are seeing is ‘just another day that the office’ as far as they are concerned.
Paul. I remember hearing about that farmer. Jose Bove was his name I think? He is still causing quite the ruckus from what I know.
Hi there!
I can’t open the link of the ‘Direct Link to the show’. Am I doing something wrong?
Ray
AverageNathan: I stand on the side of realism, objectivity, and not trying to lecture people irrelevantly. I podcast because I want to. I hope eventually that it will cover it’s own costs. I am also an intelligent and curious person who finds the topic of monetization interesting purely from an idea perspective. If you listen to today’s episode of the Daily Source Code to which I was commenting, you will notice that advertising was talked about and that I was responding to that.
Please save the preaching. Podcasting is not a religion, it is not some great mythical social crusade, and it is not some grand experiment. Podcasting is a hobby that a lot of people enjoy that has grown enough to be interesting from a business perspective, much the way weblogs did. Is it interesting? Yes. Is it going to change the world? No. It is a symptom of a changing world, not a cause.
File isnt working when trying to download in iTunes? Whats going on?
Christine, it might not change the world in the biggest sense of the word, but it will certainly change society by shifting the balance of power from those god awful local radio stations to the creator-consumer. What was it that old man Curry said? ‘In five years time, 50% of content will be created by the consumer”.
This will have massive implications for freedom of speech and regulation.
Paul, again podcasting is not the cause of that shift, it is a result of that shift. The shift is happening because both the means of production and the means of distribution are coming more and more within reach of the consumer, which reduces the cost of entry for any sort of ‘media’ project. This can be seen not only in podcasting but videocasting, web-journalism, streaming audio (Internet Radio), independent movies, fan created movies, flash cartoons, etc.
I do not denigrate podcasting quite the contrary. I enjoy it and am doing my own as well as working on some projects to support the podcasting community as best I can. However, again, podcasting is no holy grail. It’s an enjoyable hobby that is becoming monetizable. The same is happening in all of those other areas, as well.
I am excited about the shift, but I think it’s important to recognize it for what it is and not romanticize it and thus blind ourselves to the true potential. By keeping focused on the reality of this shift we don’t limit ourselves and cut off future opportunities.
As for advertising, whether people like it or not, some sort of monetization is required just to cover costs if nothing else. Nothing is free in this world, anyone who thinks otherwise fails to understand the laws of thermodynamics. Bandwidth is paid for by someone. Equipment is paid for by someone. Time and effort to create a show is paid for by someone. Right now, for most podcasts, it’s all paid for by the podcaster. What happens when their shows get more traffic than they can afford bandwidth for, if there is no monetization? They either forcibly limit their audience or they stop podcasting.
It’s a harsh lesson from the world of web comics, that needs to be heeded. Even the best content can be lost if the financial burden becomes overwhelming. I personally applaud Adam and PodShow for trying to find a business model that supports podcasting in general and generates a profit, and I like hearing about it and trying to understand their perspectives on it.
It’s amazing how Adam can talk about something so much, like the KatG contact issue, and not address the issue. Where have I seen this before? oh yeah George W. And we all know how that turned out
Christine: I understood what you were responding to. I wouldn’t post here if I didn’t also listen to the DSC.
It’s obvious from your response that you are one of the many podcasters who look at what you are doing as merely a hobby and something to pay the bills and don’t realize that you ARE, whether you like it or not, contributing to a certain change in the way media is created and delivered and processed. Do some reading on the history of mass media in the United States at least and you will see that with the onset of mass-circulation newspapers and magazines, radio networks and eventually television, the United States experienced a HUGE sociological shift.
Podcasting is a new tool in the mass-media game and we as podcasters and listeners play a HUGE part in the growth of this medium.
So yes. I am preaching because I think it is important for people to understand what they have, how they use it and how it will affect the future… but this is IN NO WAY irrelevant.
Christine: I totally concur with your thoughts. Podcasting is merely an expression of the change. However, it is because mainstream media is so grim that podcasting is taking off. As for the paying for things element. Mark Hunter wrote a very telling piece along the same lines in Podcast User magazine. Something has to give in the end. Either producers get paid, or they will find something else to do with their time.
Luke: Clearly, there has to be some rights assigned to Podshow with regards to logos, content etc., otherwise, there is nothing to prevent the podcaster from making extra shows which are distributed via other companies. However, I think Adam has missed a trick by failing to say something along the lines of ‘of course, if you leave Podshow for whatever reason, the podcaster re-establishes ownership of their logo / content’.
Not saying this leaves Podshow open to the criticism that they are behaving in the same way as the record labels which Adam criticises so regularly. The way it stands at the moment is that the silence is allowing all sorts of speculation.
I feel sure that this is just some small oversight which he will clear up before he jets off to the Algarve.
France :€15.004-€24.294 28,26%
€ 24.294-€39.529 37.38%
€39.529-€48.474 42.62%
> €48.474 48,09 %
Germany:€15.328-€104.302 15 – 42%
> € 104.302 42%
UK : Stirling 2.091 – 32.400 22%
> 32.400 40%
US: $ 14.300 -$58.100 15%
$ 58.100-117.250 25%
$ 117.250-178.250 28%
$178.250-319.100 33%
> 319.100 35%
The Netherlands:
Oh Boy!
* situation mostly 1-6-2005 /
>>Something has to give in the end. Either producers get paid, or they will find something else to do with their time.
I totally disagree. I don’t want to quit my day job, and have no intention of monetizing. I’m enjoying podcasting for what it is, and frankly the monthly cost of my show is not a horrible expense at all considering the amount of time that it keeps me occupied and off the streets.
Hey AC – the contract between us could be done on one sheet of paper…A few complimentary CD’s and a nice email from a listener now and again totally makes it worth it to me.
Haha. Without podcasting, Jersey Todd would be a gangsta.
fo’ shizzle, my nizzle
[4-years of undergrad, 3-years of law school, 2-bar exams and 1-year of clerkship, and that's what my comments have been reduced to.]
It’s funny how different views are even from those in podshow. When Mark Hunter from the Tartan Podcast left he said this,
” Just wanted to say that I have in fact left podshow, asking in writing for my contract to be terminated with immediate effect. They acted right away on my request and the link to the tartanpodcast was removed from their front page very quickly (altho at the time of writing it was still at the ‘podsquad’ page).
The reasons are simple; I wasn’t happy with the direction the company was moving in, was unable to open a dialogue with them about my concerns, the vibe that was created when I joined last June wasn’t sustained (sadly), and while there are some great, passionate, visionary-types working for the company it would seem that they aren’t the driving force.”
He intimated in other places than he made no money with podshow and they made it impossible to do so.
This is someone who is in PodShow. I can’t go into to it but some others deep within the network have their legs over the rails getting ready to jump ship as well.
READ BEFORE YOU SIGN!
read the last sentence from Mark’s quote and think about who he was talking about. This isn’t some outside wacko like myself who doesn’t know the inner workings of PodShow but one of their original members.
Excellent commentary on advertising, Christine. I find Adam somewhat unconvincing when he says that Podshow is going to market the relationship between the podcaster and the audience rather than sell advertising. Is there a difference? Does that mean he plans to go to a direct subscription model? Or finance everything through merhandise sales?
Some web content publishers are actually making quite a bit of money from Google Adsense. And there is no more proven model that I know of than selling ads. Adam gave the example of a podcast with a 250000 monthly listenership selling ads at 67.50/1000. Doing the math that come out to $200,000 annually at only one spot per show!! Obviously they have to sell the ads, but if Adam doesn’t believe that can be done he wouldn’t be spending his time on podcasting. And potential podcast listenership is only going to go up.
The whole dissertation just seemed a bit disingenuous to me.
Yeah ask him if the podcasters on podshow get to see all of their stats and not preselected ones that PodShow edits for them. Talk about conflict of interest.
PodcastRant. I at least appreciate your input although I’d love some sources. I haven’t been a podcast listener long enough to completely understand the history but the many different forces at play here makes for an interesting dynamic.
One first looking into podcasting can’t help but run into the name Adam Curry as it’s all over the place. I’ve been listening to the DSC going on two months now and I’m still not quite sure where AC stands with podcasting. On the one hand, he is enamoured with the ‘community’ aspect of podcasting and on the other hand, he is a man of business and sees the $$ in it.
In an earlier comment here I made a the bold statement that one needed to decide which side of the line they were on when it came to the direction podcasting would take. Although it may not have been clear, I truly don’t believe that the two sides are merely black and white; one side being interested only in money with no care for the creative future and the other side being interested only in the purity of podcasting with no understanding of the reality behind it… that for podcasting to grow and change, it requires money.
There is a middle ground to be found in there somewhere. Though I lean more toward the creative side, I’m also the type of person to see an opportunity (to make money) and go for it.
gladly here you go
http://www.ewanspence.com/blog/2006/01/20/tartanpodcast-and-podshow-have-split/
scroll down to see mark’s entry
here’s mark’s blog
http://tartanblog.blogspot.com/
check thurs. entry.
and then search for his post when he left podshow
Interesting. Thanks for the link PcR.
and if you can’t find mark’s entry on his site then just download the first issue of http://www.podcastusermagazine.com they basically reprint it.
hahah that was funny when he did the pod2mod thing that keith and the girl’s intro started…just made me laugh
Paul: I Understand that somethings should not be said about the podshow contract and that somethings are only between the producer and podshow. I am saying that over the whole course of PodShow existence, Adam has said nothing about it, other than “It’s great” And any issue that comes up, like podshow is just libsyn that owns your show, he sweeps aside without saying anything. Nothing will be cleard up before he jets off to the Algarve.
And let me be clear I enjoy the DSC. If I didn’t I wouldn’t listen. I hope PodShow succeeds. I think it will be good for podcasting. But in the same instance I don’t want people to go in uninformed because what Luke just said above is right on point.
If you sign with them good for you and good luck. At least you had all of the information. Two of my favorite casts are PodShow (Digital Flotsam and Extra Super Action Show).
Damn good thread. Maybe AC will jump in when he gets back from vacation.
csb – stop sucking Adams cock
Adam,
HUGE
sorry, last comment was fatfingered..
I’m a huge fan of the show, but I’m a little disappointed in how you glossed over ALL of the concerns raised about the Podshow contract, like who owns the contract.
You preach against the record labels, and the shit they are doing with how you surrender rights to them, yet PodShow is doing the same thing to podcasters they sign!
If I was podcasting and wanted to quit my day job, I sure as hell wouldn’t sign rights to all my creative content over to PodShow, and anybody that’s willing to do so is an absolute idiot.
PodShow: the new evil empire.
There’s a great book out there called “Rich Dad, Poor Dad”. One of the things it teaches is “mind your own business.” Its not talking about privacy. Its treating your personal finances, ect. the way you would treat your business.
I have not once gotten upset with Podshow in regard to anything, and I’m barely a blip on its radar. At the end of the day, it is a business. In some respects, its taken the “moral high ground” of being the messenger of podcasting. Ultimately, it’s clever marketing of a new technology. I get so annoyed when I hear calls for “transparency.” How transparent does a privately held company have to be? Podshow isn’t under any FCC or SEC requirement to reveal anything to anyone. The stats and revenue are theirs to play around with. Nobody gets too upset when Libsyn has a service outage or their quota system gets mucked up – why does Podshow have a greater moral responsibility? Because there is a voice out front?
When entering into a contract, both sides take risks regarding the other party, and even whether the venture will succede, at all. I don’t know what everyone gets so passionately upset about. Just as you wouldn’t get into a business contract without reviewing it and/or having it reviewed by an attorney – nobody in podcasting should get locked into any contract without reviewing it or having it reviewed by someone who specializes in contract or entertainment law.
Shame on the Podcaster that doesn’t “mind their own business.”
Jersey Todd, too much time for you on DSC comments. Get back to billing or you won’t make partner…Jimmy, son of a, grandson of a brother of, never want to be a lawer!
…I work on contingency…and its either mucking around here or pouring over records from some guy who had a nail gun shot into his hand while working.
Those kind of things are only funny the first five or so times you read them…
haha mind your own business…
I wonder where this world would be if people “minded their own business”. You’re an educated person so you have to see the stupidity of this statement.
@Adam
I share your view about the riots in France, the reason they give for this is so plain stupid.
But in France it is always more about showing the government the power of the people.
I general problem in Europe is that the law liberation is intended (to avoid broad based protests) always only for the young/new people – that sucks
There are uneducated podcasters? It takes more than rubbing two sticks together to put a show out. We all have different skill sets, but certainly at this stage of podcasting, everyone here has pretty big brain.
Great ending song to such an emotional show! Somtimes we just need to remember the slower pace of Grandma.
So many people would have called their lawyer on Pod2ass (very CSB don’t you think) I’m glad you chose not to. I bet in the same situation they would sue right away.
I have friends, they aren’t lawyers but I guarantee they will put a stop to it, FOR SURE. Let me know if you need them.
grrrrrrrrr! I SAID LISTENERS SHOULD CREATE YOUR CAST WHILE YOU ARE AWAY AGES AGO!!!!
Are you talking about these guys, Adam ?
http://www.c21tones.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/c21Tones.woa/1/wa/displayDetail?id=148&wosid=qDxDHh78xovREtTTIrs31M
At least, it is a free service – anyway, they breaking Geoff’s Copyright
What a great experience! AC is the best. You guys who developed this dgap stuff totally rock. I say this cuz. I Won! I Won!!
No really I did. Listen to Friday’s show.
Congrats KJ!
That’s awesome.
Adam
Listened to you a lot back in the ‘early days’ when podcasting was still your hobby and Dave was still your friend! Unsubscribed (around November) and wandered off for a while. Re-subscribed during the recent hoo-hah..
I’ve been podcasting since January 05, but never sent a promo or left a comment. I did record an audioblog sketch that involved a fake attempt by my alter ego (Dissident Vox) to contact you whist you were in the States last year, but that’s about the extent of my attempt to offer feedback.
I felt (and still do), that because of your prominence in the podcast space, people often have the tendency to try and (forgive the pun!) “curry favour” with you in an attempt to get access to the audience attention you direct through the DSC and Podshow. Whilst that’s fair enough, it does lead to some insincere hero worshiping and fawning once in a while.
It’s fairly obvious that you are the one of the main media conduits as far as the “conversation” about podcasting goes, and whilst that’s a good thing in some respects (because there is a ‘Daily Source’ for all the variant strands of opinion in the community), there is a real danger of the discussion being narrowed if you fail to represent the whole gamut of opinion because you have particular ideas, shows, or ventures that you wish to promote above others. But hey it is YOUR SHOW, and you should be able to say (or not) whatever you want on it.
I really hope you don’t become so pre-occupied with driving the medium to market, that you lose touch with what it is really about. I know you know what that is, because it was the same thing that attracted us all in the first place, and it wasn’t delivering sponsors to podcasts or vice versa. There was a sense of adventure and community, and the feeling of being on a creative journey with others where anything was possible. There still is, but back then we knew we were creating content solely for ourselves and our audience. Recently there’s a sense that only those shows with the most friends (or the most important friends) will climb onto the next (commercial) rung of the ladder and be able in that hoary old phrase to “Monetize your podcast!”
For me podcasts are about enabling the widest possible access to the greatest possible array of information, entertainment, opinion, and debate, and in the process helping others create and participate in conversations about the things we really and truly care about. These are not always the same things that business or markets think are worth talking about. So If you don’t produce the kind of show that attracts sponsors, there’s a likelihood of your show being crowded further back in the main directories, thus making it harder to grow a real audience. After all, folks can only listen if they can hear you, and that means they have to find you first!
Take care!
*as a podcast listener since sometime before october 2004, nods in agreement with John B*
Yep PodShow is totally evil! But don’t have the evil forces always have the hottest chicks? Proof positive for PodShow.
Haven’t seen the contract in question, but every contract is up to negotiation of both parties. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to agree to it.
I’m and amatuer podcaster with not enough time, so the podshow contract stuff doesn’t affect or bother me. I still like to hear what’s going on though (thanks Adam).
I am a consumer however, and this Pod2Mob is the dumbest thing I have heard (and I spent quite a few years in the cellular industry too). Who is going to waste their minutes on listening to a podcast in low quality audio and hold the phone to their ear the whole time? Even with an earpiece, you’ll never have stereo.
I went to the site and would never sign up for that as a consumer. Sure there are free minute plans and mp3 playing phones but still…I don’t believe anyone will do it for long. Even with the mp3 phones, the podcast is streamed to you as a call, not as an mp3.
Hell, if you’re on a budget…by a cheap mp3 player.
Zedd – no, the Podcasts are streamed to your phone using the data network, not through a phone call.
We stream in several different formats for several different devices (from basic JAVA phones to full fledged Smartphones).
Chris, so you need to purchase the data network (usually an extra monthly charge) from your provider to be able to get the podcast?
I don’t know. I can’t think of a single reason I would want to go the phone route to get a podcast.
Still, I appreciate the response and I appreciate the correction on the streaming technology.
Thanks much.
Zedd –
Yep, a data package is required. Most users are using Sprint which gives you 2Mbps EVDO data (unlimited) for $15 a month. Not bad considering you also get TV, picture-mail, etc.
I can understand that you might not have a reason, but there are many people that do.
You should give it a try if you ever have the desire, you might like it!
Thanks,
-Chris
Re: the Podshow contract,
Keith and the Girl show was interesting, but gotta keep breathing deep, especially if no one’s had any actual contracts in their hands (such as myself).
As a syndicated print columnist, however, I’ve had some experience with creator contracts … whatever you get, wherever you get it, it seems a simple two-way “get out of jail free” clause would be valuable … then, if you want to split the Podshow scene with your copyrighted works because Adam flipped you off, or Podshow wants to split b/c you said something nasty about someone’s mother, either way is fine.
It seems “exclusivity, in perpetuity, etc.” is something that could be negotiated later, assuming it’s something Podshow wanted to pay for, and you end up with something that has some estimated value.
Then, at a time pointed out via contract, I could renegotiate for $1 million a year to give up all the rights to my podcast, and either be laughed out of the room (obviously) or actually get it (say they expect to make $10 million for it — again, fantasyland).
But even diluted, you should be able to take your ball and go home after a set period. Otherwise, even the grimiest “day job” might seem liberating by comparison. Sure, Podshow bult a network, but you built content. Seems like a fair trade of value at the start, and “hard work” can be stipulated on both sides at the get-go.
Just my 2 cents, which I give freely, without papework.
– Curt
Ya think that Keith and the chick could not pop the p,s afer so many shows.
Has something changed, now takes me almost an hour to download DSC, used to be less than half that!
Seems to be some kind of Arts-Based project supplying these ringtones, Roger Smalls and Metrosexual Moment Ringtones now available. Interesting about the Copyright on the FAQ’s.
http://www.c21tones.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/c21Tones.woa/1/wa/displayPage?pageName=FAQs&wosid=iLl9dyCEqqzWjSdEhXXHlM#26
Taking the Lord’s name in vain in no way relates to Christ or Christianity. Taking the Lord’s name in vain comes directly from Exodus 20:7, the 3rd of the 10 commandments issued to the Israelites.; “Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.â€
It refers to not using God’s name in a worthless way. When the Israelites turned their back on the Law of Moses and began worshipping the false gods of the land, they were, in effect, taking God’s name in vain.
If the New Testament contained a command not to take the Lord’s name in vain I could see how it would apply to those bearing Christ’s name, i.e. Christians. But as Christians are not under the Ten Commandments it is not a law that applies to them. I’d argue that claiming a Christian living a life contrary to Christ’s teachings is taking the Lord’s name in vain is misapplying the 3rd commandment.
That being said, the fact that God’s named people before the appearance of Christ, the Jews, were under command not to take the name of their God in vain shows that it is unfavourable to use God’s name – not Christ’s – in a worthless way, thereby not giving it the respect it deserves.
Adam, just had to comment on the show where you talk about the Netherlands and the way our system works. First of all, an employee can get a temporarily contract three times, and this can be like a month up to a year. So you can be working for a company for three years and still be fired every day, for no reason. After three temporarily contracts the company has to give you a unlimited time contract (meaning no more temporarily contract), and yes, people are glad with that, otherwise they can’t buy a house for instance.
Second, there are multiple ways to get fired, or to fire people, if you suddenly change your mind after three years. No lawyer, no buying out or whatever. A simple reorganisation does the trick most of the time. Look at NedCar now where 1000 people are (almost) losing there job. (Ok, so there are lawyers and politicians there…)
Third, it seems to me that you didn’t had the wright employees after all if they finaly had a contract and then sat back and relax…
fourth, when you are speaking about the Netherlands it seems to me, that you are very glad to not live there anymore, what happend man?!
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