The Judge released her decision today in our lawsuit against a dutch gossip rag.
The case was about two issues:
– Endangering our 15 year old daughter by publishing the name and
location of her school and her means of transport to and from school.
– Reproduction of pictures I own and publish on flickr under the
creative commons ‘attribution-non commercial-share alike’ license.
The endandgerment claim was dismissed. As I have said before, I don’t
like the idea of anyone following my daughter, regardless of intentions.
If this happens again I will take matters into my own hands.
Regarding the copyright claim, the judge ruled in our favour,
and ordered the mag not to use my copyrighted pictures again. If they do they
will be fined 1000 euros (about $1200) for each photo they use
without permission.
Obvously the Dutch court does not value new media property and
ownership very highly, but the creative commons copyright does hold up!
To the Dutch media, who are looking for a response:
“Ik ben opgekomen voor mijn rechten en veiligheid van mijn gezin. Hoewel ik blij ben dat mijn intellectuele eigendom door de rechter wordt beschermd, kan ik niet begrijpen dat zij toestaat dat een vent met een kamera mijn minderjarige dochter mag achtervolgen. Alle ouders voelen dit. Ik neem mijn eigen maatregelen om dit te bestrijden.”
Hey Adam,
Good to know the CC license holds up! To bad about the endandgerment claim. How about the foto’s they’ve already used?
Only 1000 euros – come on.
No penalty for photos used, no retraction. Mainly, according to the judge, because we are cdlebrities and these were ‘really cute vacation pictures’ that show no commercial value. Go figure.
Hi Adam,
So the judge gives you 500 euro less then the gossip magazine.?? Listen to you tomorriow…
Greetings Boudewijn
it was NOT “in your favor”. You lost this lawsuit, mate. Why don’t you just admit it pal?
Well, after all the shouting you and your wife did on the dsc, it seems that you’ve lost the case. You don’t show your best side, Adam, by not admitting that. Was your lawyer bad, or didn’t you have a case? The full verdict is on the net now and it seems that the judge says ‘that you didn’t make your point’ and btw you need to pay the costs of the trial. Wow, what a loss!
Adam,
Gefeliciteerd voor your judgment. Will the magazine be required to reimburse your legal expenses, as is typically the case under Dutch law?
Although I am not a licensed Dutch lawyer, I have studied law at the U.v.A., and I am an expert in EU and US intellectual property laws. I was not aware that NL had incorporated the ‘public figure’ doctrine into Dutch law. Interesting. The public figure doctrine has not been adopted by most European national law systems.
Your victory on behalf of Creative Commons is important and noteworthy. Please consider ordering a transcript of the decision and publishing it (in Dutch and English) for scholars and attorneys. We are all in your debt for taking on the fight.
My free legal advice to you, is to keep your threats private. I share your desire to ‘not get mad, get even.’ And of course you are upset that your family’s safety was not vindicated by the court, but judges rarely provide us the kind of emotional release we would like. Keep your threats to yourself, be vigilant, show you care, and your family will feel safe.
Come and take a vacation here in the beautiful Pacific Northwest, and I guarantee you won’t be bothered!
Met vriendilicke groeten,
Michael Weisman, JD, LLM
@Robbert & CSB: Excuse me? I won on the breach of copyright! The judge said I didn’t convince her of the value of the stolen material. That is of course subjective.
I clearly stated the endangerment claim was dismissed.
BTW, both parties have to pay their own costs.
Get your facts straight.
A quick question: csb; why do you hate everything adam curry does?
AdamC: you’ve lost in a sense because “No penalty for photos used, no retraction” and the price for future use of photos is pathetic, simply pathetic. So overall result is that you lost but it may feel that you won. No penalty and totaly cheap price for future violations = loss.
of course you got your publicity shtick so in total you won “publicity-wise”… but as far as this case is concerned you lost badly. you really must live in self-denial not to see it, mate!
Phil: it’s not true.
csb, everything you do is critizising AC for what he does and what he says. in my oppinion(im not a lawyer or anything) adam won the case but the magazine was’nt fined for using the photos.
eey congrats for winning the license part of the case unfortunatly the judge didn’t have teh smae idea as you about some freack folowing your dauchter.
obbert why do yousay that his durch isn’t that good anymore?? i found a artikle on the net about the verdict and is says the same as adam does that at point 1 indangermetn of his daughter the judge didn”t agreed on that but she did about teh pictures he only didn’t got the 10.000 euro and a new rectification but they are not allowed to use his pictures again with out asking him first.
eric
Pictures taken in US by US citizen and hosted on US web site. Would it have been possible to pick US as a venue?
@Kore: The violation was committed in Holland.
Phil: you said “adam won the case but the magazine was’nt fined for using the photos.”… so operation succeded but patient is dead or in other words: they are not penalized for wrong doing. He has won formally but he lost practically.
[...] What happens if you sue some gossip magazine who took all your Non-Commercial-Use Creative-Commons licensed photos from your Flickr account, then published them to make a profit? Apparently, the magazine gets told that they are very naughty, and will be given an incredibly minor fine if they do it again. So Creative Commons stands up in court, but this judgement means it’s effectively useless in practice. Great. Also, said magazine is apparently allowed to publish details of your child’s school, and the transport methods s/he uses to get there and back, without any punishment at all. [...]
CSB, I was never out for money as I clearly stated before the lawsuit. I’m happy that we won. Don’t need the money, but it would have been a nice deterrent for future copyright abuse. 1000 euros may be worth it for gossip mags.
Sad to hear about the Christina case.
What are you planning to do with teh 1000 buxx, eeh i mean bucks =]
BTW, here’s a picture of the editor who stole the pictures. Nice to know he is allowed to instruct creepy guys in raincoats to follow my daughter.
csb; he never needed the money…
ac: im new with this rss-stuff, and just want to say: glad you are interraction with your fans
Pathetic … how in the world CAN they throw out the endangerment clause (arrgghh) … sometimes I wonder if judges even consider people and safety. So in essence, the judge said people could stalk your daughter, but as long as they don’t do anything … there is nothing wrong with it … that’s just not right!!!
I think it is important to seperate the issues of copyright infingment, money damages, and public figure doctrine.
In the US, Adam would not have had a prayer IMHO, on either count, because he is/was a celebritiy (as is his wife.) Paparazzi can follow his wife or daughter shopping, at the beach, school, etc. subject only to laws against trespass. We are all familiar with the drill. Under the public figure doctrine, Adam would have had a slim chance of success in the US.
Same for the copyright infringement, since they would argue that the photos are items of interest to the public, and that is a fair use exception to copyright protection. In other words, its newsworthy, so they can use them in a news context.
Damages for infringement are not necessarily measured by what you could sell them for. The idea of damages is not always to ‘make whole,’ sometimes it is just to make a point to prevent future infringement. Keep in mind the nature of copyright law: it is NOT a property right, it is a limited government license to protect certain kinds of property against use by others for a limited period of time. That is all it is. By putting photos on flickr, Adam is making them public in a way, but he is controlling the license with creative commons in addition to statutory copyright protections, because creative commons gives him more choice over how the license may be used.
Mike Weisman JD, LLM
I’m sure that this is going to be analyzed by far superior minds than mine, but as the first ambulance chaser on the scene, I do have some inital thoughts:
1) I think that whether or not this can be characterized as a “win” or “loss” really depends on what your goals were. If this was about establishing a precident that a CC license needs to be respected, and that there are repercussions when that license is violated then this is a big time win for establishing case law. From a legal perspective, what’s fantastic about this decision is that its not something that an “Average Joe” would have the resources to pursue. Now, if this is done again, the groundwork is already laid. Remember – this had the potential to go very badly, too, as “Curry” could have become synonymous with an absolute devaluation in a CC license, and that would have been very bad.
2) I always say to my clients, “you’re never going to get them to apologize, all I can do is get you money.” Here, its my impression (and I could be wrong) that it was never about the money, and I don’t think an apology would have been enough either. They hurt you (i.e. privacy and ethically) and now you’ve hurt them.The bad press alone is damaging to a magazine.
3) I do think that the Judge blew it on the issue of damages. Obviously, I haven’t read the decision and I’m not planning on reading it….but I don’t find her rationale very clear. Is she saying that if a CC license is violated twice, then the value of the violation is $1,200. Why isn’t one violation $600.00? Is the first violation free? Where does that number come from anyway? Does the $1,200 represent compensatory or punitive damages? Why is the value of a swiped picture less than the value of a swiped song? I don’t know this doesn’t feel right to me, and may be worth questioning your attorneys about, if you wanted to pursue this further. This may be the other end of the spectrum – if an “Average Joe” were before her on the same claim, or if they weren’t “cute” pictures of a celebrity, then would have they had a different value?
3) The endangerment claim. I think this one is left up to interpretation of the Dutch statutes or case law, which I know nothing about. As this tends to have the smell of a criminal violation, I wonder if there was a consideration given to the mindset of the magazine when they committed the alleged violation – i.e., mens rea ) intentional endangerment versus negligent endangerment). Actually, in thinking about this, in the US we have a common-law tort of “Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress.” Obviously, there is a lot to this claim, but I wonder if it would have applied here…
But of course, as someone on this site called me an annoying, know it all, dickhead, I think its best that I sign off there, as I wouldn’t want to leave that impression twice.
Overall – Well done!
The result is obviously a slap on the wrist for this tabloid and will probably be viewed as only the cost of doing business. The reletively low amount will probably only encourage theft of images from flickr and other “public” websites. I’m wondering if the result would have been different if you had reserved all copyrights or had no license on it at all. Somehow, I doubt it. Unfortunately, if they had stolen these from someone without AC’s means, they probably never would have been sued and would have gotten off scot free.
The lesson learned here: only upload low res photos to anything publically available on flickr.
Hi, just saw the coverage on the dutch tv (gossip) program “RTL Boulevard”. The guy from the gossip magazine (he sometimes co-hosts this program…) got all the time to explain that the’ve won, and he going to deliver cake to his team AND even the teams of competitor magazines. I Guess 1000 euros per picture is cheap compared to prices they pay the paparazzi. In other words: although the judge says it is illegal to do so, they are still able to do it, as long as they pay the small fee. They even don’t have to ask permission this way…. very dangerous.
adam
is he also on tv in the netherlands???
you are on shwonews now in the leader they said u lost, morrons
eric
For the child endangerment case, I had thought you wouldn’t of won.
As for the copyright infringement, alas, letting them off without punishment this time is (IMO) completely and utterly stupid. It pretty much sends the message out that you can steal photos from the web without permission if you pay a small fee.
[...] link [...]
This is strange and I totally understand Adam being upset. For example, a single featuring an artists song can be handed out for free, for example for promotional purposes. However, even when they have handed out the song for free it is still protected by copyright law and whoever distributes the song without permission gets his ass sued. Therefore a picture that has been published cannot just become public property unless the copyright holder says so..
In this case, if youve got a lot of money, what you do is that you dig up a lot of dirt on the editor and get to him some other way.
Keep it up, stay strong. Best wishes from the land of elks
@Tomas: Maybe I can get CSB to follow the editor around and snap some shots on an ms mobile device. Happy to pay for that aggrevation.
Without the transcript i cannot and will not comment properly on this “kort geding”. However,the outcome on the ” endangerment” of a 15 year old is no surprise to me for obvious reasons.. there is no case.I suppose a major factor here is the fact that the perception from a parent differs a lot from an objective judge. The usage of unauthorised intellectual property was not fined.Only future copyright violations will matter. Bummer.
Adam,
Thanks for letting listeners follow the journey. Few of us understand law but I think the majority can understand why this was important. Congratulations on taking a stand.
I think that, for the most part, that ruling simply proves something we all know. The legal system, and I mean for most countries, simply doesn’t comprehend the Internet.
I think the judge probably dismissed the endagement case because the magazine was published in one country while the child lives in another. Unless very specific information was given (such as the address of the school), it would not be likely that anyone reading the magazine would be able to find the school without a lot of work and some financial effort.
However, again, I think that proves she doesn’t understand the Internet. Once that information is available online (and I would suggest sending C&D letters to anyone who publishes it online), then the psycho across town can get it. I think the judge missed that point in considering the endagerment, and I think it may be grounds for an appeal.
On the infringement charge, I personally loathe the so called “public figure” doctrine. It seems a punishment for being successful. It isn’t fair that someone is given less protection by the law than a criminal gets… because they’re famous. I don’t think it’s possible for you to get a fair hearing on this issue, simply because of your success.
Perhaps this issue itself is grounds for an appeal? Does dutch law allow for appeals based on personal bias of a judge? You won this portion of your case, but the judge turned it into a pyrrhic victory by not enacting punitive damages and by setting the fine so low. As a content creator I truly appreciate your efforts to protect your own rights and thus establish a precedent, but as a person I feel the judge has wronged you with her disposition of the case.
In Flickr, you can set your photos to “All Rights Reserved”, when I discovered someone linking to my Flickr photos on their commercial website, I changed mine away from “Creative Commons” to All Rights Reserved, which for all legal intents and purposes, forced them to stop using my photos.
Rather than slagging Adam, I think he deserves some kudos for investing his own time and money (and the time is probably more valuable than the lawyer fees) in taking this to court and establishing some precendents. I don’t always agree with Adam, but I do respect him for investing time and effort in his principles, rather than just talking about it…
Come on guys… AC did indeed set a “court precedent” with this ruling that implies that
violators will in fact be fined for CC violations. Yes it was only a “slap on the wrist” to the defendants but the ruling has value as a *preceden*t. At least to some extent. Particularly if future judges follow case law. -CT
AC: Good that the CC license held up, but considering how lightly the magazine was punished on that it seems a shame something similar was not done on the endangerment aspect.
The magazine’s actions seem very irresponsible. You may be well-known in Holland, but your daughter is a minor and her safety and privacy should be respected. A message was all that was needed. I’m not a lawyer but know from my own experiences that the law can seen very unfair in cases where the emotional argument is strong but there is nothing the courts can really use to nail the bastards.
It seems to me that the Press Complaints Commission would have ruled in your favour, had the article been published in the UK: http://www.pcc.org.uk/index2.html (see the Schools & Children link to feel vindicated). That would have been free and sent the intended message.
AdamC: I know that you’re not after money but after justice or so, but : a) they don’t have to pay for stolen photos in past, b) the price for using your photos in future is pathetic – 1000 euro is nothing compared to this what tabloids pay for photos of celebs …
AdamC: should I follow him with camera and you pay? You would have to pay quite a lot for me to do it – and in advance – but of course I could do it it
Generally: yes, you won the case but the verdict is very dissapointing because it is not penalizing for past deeds and is specifying very very low penalty for future sins. In your place I would escalate it to European Court of Justic and then to United Nations and then I would go to Vatican and I would give a dope to a pope and convince also him to rule in favor of yourself !
Finally a gig for CSB! Great idea. Send me your plan.
A: thats exactly what I meant… After all, imagination’s the only limit…
What really struck me is that if it would have been a website that unrightfully published pictures from a magazine, I bet you there had been damages that hurt…
Are there any images from their magazine worth pilfering for my site? Can someone translate the text for me, so I can post it on my blog and claim that its my own work? Apparently, I can just take what I want and use it for whatever purpose I feel is appropriate. Seems like the magazine now loses any standing to enforce its copyright.
Adam,
It looks like you won, but was the message clear enough to rest of those assholes waiting to steal the little man’s rights? I don’t think so. Hopefully if we keep fighting against this shit, the message will have greater impact over time.. I’m just wondering how much time we can afford to lose while the big man continues to take a shit on the little man.
By the way, if you really need a picture of Adam, check out Ebay!… (Nice hair by the way Adam!)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ADAM-CURRY-Agency-Photo-MTV-VJ_W0QQitemZ4836707401QQcategoryZ18836QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
AdamC: plan is simple: you send me a lot of money in advance and I go do paparazzi-ing on him. AdamC: please watch “Paparazzi” series on BBC3 or so… – it contains some hints how it looks like and what issues are there etc. Send me by email all data abuot him that you have. Ia m EU citizen and cannot be forbidden entry to any EU country, Netherlands including
PS. last time I was entering Netherlands by train I was quarelling with police, almost shouting at them, that they were checking my passport although Netherlands is in “schengen zone” and the principle of “schengen zone” is no passport checks. They politely (despite my shouting) told me that they are on the lookout for terrorists. Of course they had no power to block my entry to the Netherlands…
Adam,
The item about the court case in today’s epidsode of RTL Boulevard was terrible. It was single-sided, and if I didn’t know better I would have understood that you lost the case entirely!
Here was that big fat idiot: Marc van der Linden, gloating about how he won the court case and that he would buy cake for the entire company and two other competing magazine’s.
This verdict means that a magazine in the Netherlands can take every picture they like from a website and publish it. They just have to pay € 1.000,- wich is a real bargain for a picture of a celebrity.
I guess csb has a point…
Sell every image you post. This seems to be the only way to prove commercial value. Adding a pricetag and a paypal link maybe. I don’t know – this is just plain infuriating. The license to stalk is even worse.
Meh… given what this case was about, I could care less. That is, until I win the lottery to become a half-billionaire, wherefore I will become only half interested in such matters.
Leave it to the uber-rich and uber-bored to find such groundbreaking and stimulating talk on issues such as this. No thanks, I’ll stick with those issues that *really* affect my pathetic little life in middledom America.
Cheers on the quality and enthusiasm of your podcast. Piss on the trivial content.
Ok, ok, here I am. CSB, look out man. As soon as I figure out how on God’s green earth to “create audio feedback and throw it up on a server” I’ve got some choice words for you, my friend. And I ain’t fecking or facking around. You Curry-Bashers claiming “Loss! Loss!” at the top of yr electronic voices have clearly missed the point of this case.
Adam: I’m thinking the scuzzy guy who edits the rag might be played by Robert Downey Jr. in the film version of this whole ordeal (we’ll beef him up and put him on the Bridget Jones diet).
[...] Mit Interesse habe ich den Fall von Adam Curry verfolgt, der hierzulande kaum in den Medien vorkam. Und wenn natürlich hauptsächlich in den Blogs, aber die Old Media kommt sicherlich noch zu einer Bewertung der Ereignisse. Es ging unter anderem darum, dass eine Zeitschrift Bilder von Adams Flickr-Account abgedruckt hat, die ausdrücklich unter einer CC-Lizenz standen. Keine kommerzielle Verwertung also. Lizenz ist Lizenz, dachte man ja bisher, aber die holländische Gerichtsbarkeit sieht das offenbar doch ein klein wenig anders: Die Bilder dürfen von diesem besagtem Magazin nicht mehr – nicht mehr! – abgedruckt werden ansonsten müssten sie Adam entlohnen. Insofern ist die CC-Lizenz momentan zumindest in Holland gerichtsgeprüft – faktisch ist sie dort aber wertlos. Denn schließlich, so muss man das sehen, hat das Magazin ja die Bilder schon einmal abgedruckt und gerade das sollte die CC-Lizenz eigentlich verhindern – es sollte klar sein, dass mit dieser Lizenz versehene Inhalte nicht kommerziell verwendet werden dürfen es sei denn man fragt den Rechteinhaber. Es dürfte interessant sein jetzt die Stellungen von der CC-Organisation oder der EFF zu hören. Interessant wäre es natürlich auch zu sehen ob die traditionellen Medien noch darüber berichten werden. [...]
I’m no lawyer, but I think to stalk the editor, he’d have to first be a celebrity? I don’t think he has the hair for it. I know a bald head is the only thing holding me back
[...] Just noticed that the Creative Commons had a CC Salon in San Francisco last night. When I read the blogpost, at first I thought it next Wednesday. My head’s been deep in code this week, not sure it’s out yet . I wonder if they talked about Adam’s case. [...]
Real mixed message there on the creative commons side of things, but a win is a win. As for the endangerment side, that sucks. I hate it when people pick on kids and get away with it.
If you ever need to “take things into your own hands” with the stalkers, just steer things down here to Littlehampton, I got your back. I have always wanted to smack around a paparazzi stalker, or as Kevin Feder-freakin-idiot calls them pavorattis. I am not popular enough to have my own stalkers, so smacking yours around would be theraputic.
Why don’t you just send an invoice to the magazine now (with a sum that is usually paid bny magazines for photos like that) like every other photographer would do whose photo was used without asking? They’d have to pay at least that (it won’t be that much, though).
Is there a Court of Appeal in the Netherlands like there is in England?
As many people have stated, now there is a price for your photos, perhaps a superior judge will realise this.
Here in the UK we can’t even advertise youth groups to tell young people they exist in case some undesirables start hanging around knowing where there are young children.
There needs to be some consistancy applied.
Sorry to hear about the verdict Adam. I understand your concerns as a caring father, shame the courts don’t.
Andy
[...] Leider ist die Creative Commons-Lizenz nichts wert, wie ein Gerichtsverfahren von Adam Curry gegen ein niederländisches Magazin gezeigt hat. Dieses Magazin hat private Bilder von Flickr genommen und im Magazin abgedruckt. Die Bilder waren mit der Creative Commons-Lizenz versehen, die besagt, dass diese Bilder nicht für den kommerziellen Gebrauch freigegeben sind. [...]
Hi Adam,
this means, CC is dead. Everybody has one shot without punishment and pays 1000€ afterwards. Now everybody is really frightened, are they?
This, together with peered Internet, paid spam – is a nightmare!
http://www.thomasweller.de/2006/03/10/creative-commons-ist-tot
Keep up the great work!
Thomas
Am i from another planet? Facts and fiction are mixed in the blogosphere. AC lost left-right-centre !
Strange how CSB turns around just like that. Follow the money…
Fact of the matter is that a “kort geding” is a shortened procedure in which only one judge makes a verdict on sort of urgent items .The only logical step is to take this to a “bodem procedure”which is a normal time- and money consuming lawsuit.
sorry, it’s the tiered Internet – bugger me
ugh.
AC – take the money you get from them and donate it to Unicef (they are going to pay up, aren’t they?) The money might be enough to buy a toilet somewhere in a desolate jungle.
It seems unfortunate that most people on this weblog can’t read Dutch. Because after reading the verdict noone can honestly say that Adam has won. They only thing that the judge granted him is that he is the copyright-owner.Adam lost eight of nine accounts, so to call that a partially won case is a bit strange…..
pip: what the fuck you mean by “CSB turns around just like that”? I don’t agree with AdamC that he should sue poor journalists but on the other hand if I get paid (in money or other things – AdamC knows what) then I am willing to do this or that for AdamC! Example: I don’t like Yahoo because it is evil corporation that already helped to jail 2 journalists in China, but I like to use http://podcasts.yahoo.com because podcast fucking alley is a scam. So what your problem pip? Do you need to bash me to feel good about yourself?
Adam, spell my name correct! Please!
On the audio comment you stated; “i am not your whore ac” there you go. A few days later on this site You sell your soul to AC ‘For a reasonable amount of money i will go after Marc Verlinden’. This makes you a prostitute.
I don’t have any problems with you CSB,this must be clear to you by now,i am just kidding around just like you.
Correction :Marc van der linden.
At your service CSB.
the judge made a huge mistake here. how about this scenario: this “magazine” (or non-perforated toilet paper as I prefer to call these rags) publishes some “news worthy” photos (yeah, bit of a stretch but bear with me). I think they’re great, scan them and publish them on my website and charge people to download them. You think I’d get a slap on the wrist, HELL NO!!! What this case means is that corporations are more important than the individual citizen.
On the endangerment piece, the judge should be ashamed of herself. Following a minor and publishing details of her movements is OK as long as nothing happens to her? what a joke. on that basis downloading naked pictures of children should be ok. appalling
adam – any chance of appeal in the Dutch system?
What about hoger beroep? They’ll probably just say the same thing. This is really getting out a hand. In the US, they pay thousands of dollars for, say 300 songs, while we europeans, a 1000 euros per picture, that is sooo not fair. I thought the euro was stronger than the dollar, this all makes no economic sense
BTW, adam, are you needing any spying equipment? I might have some (jk) or know some people…
pip: I said “I am not your whore” but it doesn’t mean the same as “I will not be your whore” – for money or for the other thing that AdamC knows – I can be his whore – but I am not his whore now. There is a difference between not-whore and who can be a whore and a real whore who already was paid and performed at least once his/her services…
You make me Whore-loop.
Please consider what you’re posting?
What does that suppose to mean?
You win some, you lose some…
Dubieus. Een roddelblad publiceert waar de dochter van een vermogend echtpaar naar school gaat en hoe ze daar naartoe vervoerd wordt – informatie die voor gewone lezers interessant noch relevant is, voor kwaadwillenden echter des te meer – en komt daar…
Populisme Gert jan, zo denkt Curry echt dat hij het middelpunt van de wereld is terwijl de realiteit is dat hij slechts de enige is die daarvan overtuigd is.
Het gaat niet over AC, Pip. Het gaat over juridische beginselen, over wat beschermenswaardig is en wat niet. Natuurlijk heeft de rechter gelijk als ze stelt dat de foto’s vakantiekiekjes zijn, en dus weinig waardevol. Het punt is: dat had Weekend mogen aanvoeren in de onderhandelingen VOORAF over de publicatieprijs van de foto’s. Je weet wel: “mogen we jouw foto’s in ons blad publiceren en zo ja, wat kost dat? WAAAT? Voor een vakantiekiekje?” Dat hebben ze niet gedaan: ze hebben ze gejat. Stel je voor dat jouw fiets gejat wordt, je weet wie het heeft gedaan, je daagt ‘m voor de rechter en de rechter zegt: “Foei, dat mag je niet weer doen. Doe je het wel, dan moet je 500 euro boete betalen.” Is dat gerechtigheid? De dief zal de volgende keer de afweging maken: koop ik een fiets, dan kost me dat 500 euro, jat ik ‘m dan loop ik het risico op een boete van 500 euro, maar de fiets mag ik houden (immers, de foto’s zijn al gepubliceerd en de oplage blijft gewoon geld opbrengen in het leesmapcircuit). Het duidelijkste bewijs is de reactie van Weekend op de uitspraak: “Curry had ons aanbod moeten accepteren” Let wel: het zijn gewoon ordinaire dieven! De rechter vergaloppeert zich hier, wellicht op het verkeerde been gezet door de eis van Adam.
Hoe dan ook, het is goed dat de CC-licentie nu backing heeft van het ‘real world’ rechtssysteem. Als een krant artikelen van m’n log jat en publiceert, weet ik nu dat de CC-licentie geen Jip en Janneke recht is, maar stand houdt in de rechtzaal. Jammer dat de boete in dit geval zo laag is, daar zal nog wel andere jurisprudentie over komen. Dat is van groot belang: het hele concept van we-media, collaborative publishing, weblogs, podcasting – het staat of valt bij respect voor andermans wensen over (her)gebruik van user generated content. De CC-licentie is gemaakt om (her)gebruik binnen de wensen van de maker mogelijk te maken. Als dat juridisch niet goed dicht te timmeren is, vallen we straks weer terug op de bestaande juridische structuren voor het beschermen van auteursrechten in de oude media. Copyrights, kopieerbeveiliging, inperken van rechten, inperken van gebruikersvrijheid, DRM… Steeds strengere beveiligingen, steeds meer beperkingen, steeds inventievere ‘hacks’, steeds complexere workarounds om je gekochte CD toch op je mp3-speler te kunnen zetten… De enige weg uit die negatieve techniekspiraal is een concept, gebaseerd op vertrouwen en dingen bewust wél toestaan. Dat is Creative Commons, en daarom is deze rechtzaak zo belangrijk.
hearing things like this almost makes me lose hope in the human race. i mean what planet is this judge from? where in the fuck is it ever ok to go after someones kid because this person is famous and he should expect it. this is just bullshit and if i was you adam i really wouldn’t take that i would stick it to this so called “judge” i mean who does she/he think she/he is? and as for your photos you are posting them online and i know they are copyrighted but in the age where technology and information is just everywhere it is expected that some asshole is going to take your shit.
Appels en peren. Ãk schreef alleen iets in reactie op jouw insinuatie dat zijn dochter in gevaar zou zijn door kidnapping of wat dan ook. Als ik iets in die sfeer zou willen uithalen,dan had ik dat wel gedaan in Belgie,daar was plenty mogelijkheid.Ga je daarnaast ook nog in NOVA je ego uitvergroten-lees je eigen gevaarzetting verhogen- dan schreew je om aandacht van welke soort dan ook.
Mijn grote bezwaar is de nogal Poeha factor die in de Podcasts naar voren kwam. Als je A zegt,moet je ook B zeggen,daarmee zeggend dat als je in Kort geding te horen krijgt dat je niet kon overtuigen schade te hebben geleden, je dat moet voortzetten in een bodemprocedure.
Zoals de situatie nu is blijft er een zweem van overwinning hangen bij de Paparazzi.Ik zou daar geen vrede mee hebben als het mij zou overkomen,ik zou me gevogeld voelen.
PS. Creative Commons is een door een Amerikaan bedachte formule die Niet,ik herhaal niet,de Nederlandse intellectuele eigendomsaanspraken vervangt,maar slechts een alternatief geeft.Je kunt eenvoudig je naam inscannen en het probleem is opgelost.
Feit is dat het Weekend is verboden om in de toekomst de foto’s NOGMAALS te gebruiken,ergo nu mocht het kennelijk dus wel volgens deze rechter. Hoezo CC houdt stand? neen dus,geen terughaling leesmappen. Natuurlijk zat deze rechter fout. Zelfs de gelouterde Advocaten van Weekend zagen dat al aankomen doorA. van tevoren al een rectificatie te plaatsen,en B.een schadevergoeding aan te bieden.Ik ben met je eens dat de licentie CC nu op de juridische landkaart staat maar om nu Hosanna te gaan roepen zoals in de lijstjes van even verderop gaat me veel te ver. Ik vrees dat het daar voorlopig even bij blijft tot de volgende zaak zich aandient. Ik ben in ieder geval een beetje teleurgesteld in AC,ik had gedacht dat het om een principekwestie ging,het kost echt geen Godsvermogen. Jammer gemiste kans.
[...] Ïîäðîáíîñòè çà èçõîäà [...]
[...] On March 9, 2006 the District Court of Amsterdam, judging in summary proceedings, decided the first court case in the Netherlands involving the validity of a Creative Commons license. Local media celebrity Adam Curry (see http://curry.podshow.com/?p=49) had published photo’s of his family on http://www.flickr.com under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Sharealike license. The photos also carried the notice ‘This photo is public’. The Dutch weekly Weekend, a gossip magazine, had reproduced four photos in a story on Curry’s children without seeking Curry’s prior permission. [...]
Adam, re: the copyright thing. Did your lawyer not warn you before hand that this was a likely outcome? From what I have read about similar cases, the verdict is pretty much par for the course.
What surprises me even is that the judge ruled this an infringement of your copyrights. We may not have fair use in the Netherlands. but we do have exceptions to copyright. If the magazine had argued that they were using the photos in a polemic of these works, they should have won all out. All the magazine then had to do, according to the law, is mention you as the maker. (IANAL)
Oh, BTW, there was a company (from Germany, IIRC) that offered the sort of stalking services you propose some ten to twenty years ago. The papers asked the justice department whether this was legal, and as far as the department was concerned, they could not see anything wrong with. A guy with a sandwhich board would follow the “victim” around town, and the sandwhich board would have a text proclaiming the shameful thing the “victim” had done.
With some creative wording you should be able to stay clear of any libel charges. For instance, “The man in front of me stalks little girls, and takes pictures of them for money.”
[...] Prof. Bernt Hugenholtz, by way of Creative Commons Canada’s weblog, provides a translation of key portions of the Dutch trial court’s decision in Curry’s favor on the Creative Commons question. If you’re interested in efforts such as Creative Commons, it’s a must-read. Pamela Jones blogs the story at Groklaw, and Adam Curry blogs the story at Curry.com. Trackback URL: http://madisonian.net/archives/2006/03/16/cc-see/trackback/ [...]
[...] http://curry.podshow.com/?p=49 [...]
Congratulations Adam, and nuts to those who keep insisting you “lost.” Losing would mean the judge ruling that the CC license means nothing and you have no right to control the use of the photos.
As a criticism though, I wish everybody would stop using terms like “the editor who stole the photos” or “the photos I own.” Nobody “owns” copyrighted material. We just have exclusive rights to it for a while, that’s all, and nobody can “steal” what nobody owns. It’s an important distinction, not just nitpicking, because the more we accept the idea of rights as property the sooner they will become perpetual and there will be no public domain. You’re probably aware that the Bono Act placed all pre-1972 sound recordings under copyright until the year 2067, even those whose copyrights had already expired years before. Edison’s original wax disc recordings from the 1890s will be under copyright long after we’re both dead. If similar copyright terms had been in force back in the 1930s, Grimm’s Fairy Tales published around 1814 would still have been under copyright when Walt Disney was getting started. If he wanted free material he probably would have had to make Biblical cartoons, and I doubt that there would be a Disney empire today. Anyway, sorry for the long post, but property and ownership have been around since civilization began, but copyright is a recently invented legal device that will probably be superceded by something else, and it’s important to make a distinction.
What a load.
You sue another company for using YOUR copyrighted materials. However you play the mashups on your show which are copyrighted and just say ‘oh well, we deserve to use them’
You’re a moron and an idiot.
[...] El caso que fue presentado en una corte de Amsterdam estaba relacionado con el uso que se realizó por parte del periódico sensacionalista Weekend, de unas fotos de Adam Curry, que el habÃa puesto en Flickr bajo una licencia de Creative Commons. El juéz fallo a favor de Curry, ya que la licencia que aplicó a sus fotos especificaba que no podÃa hacerse uso comercial de las mismas. [...]
Your so called “victory” with the CC lisence is quite negligible. If anything it hurts what the CC lisence actually means & stands for. You lost more than just your case, you lost your credibility as a civilized human being by saying you’ll take matters into your own hands next time. I am a parent myself & it seems to me if you’re so worried about your daughters safety while she is getting her education, how about you do the responsible thing & home school her.
You sir are a truely despicable waste of space (including the webspace/bandwidth that your blog takes up).
Truely & Sincerely Yours,
Hank
[...] curry.com Juha [...]
Creative Commons Help up in Dutch Court
The Creative Commons exists to provide a flexible range of protections and freedoms for authors, artists, and educators. I have an Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 license on my public Flickr photos. I have always wondered if the Creative Commo…
I like Santa.
[...] A title like the above isn’t going to surprise many people. Well, maybe the made-up word will, but the subject matter is not new. Journalists and quality are not two concepts that readily go together. It can be the lack of ethical qualities in journalism evidenced in the webosphere/blogosphere/whatever they’re calling the internet these days, such as the PodFather Adam Curry’s battle against paparazzi who appropriated photos from his account on the photo-sharing site Flickr and published them in their magazine, along with details of the route (that’s “rootâ€, not “routâ€) of how his daughter walks to school. Or it can be a television station breathlessly reporting on some sensational event simply because a they happen to have video footage of it. A helicopter in Umma-Gumma land has crashed, slightly injuring a local chicken. And here it is crashing! Again! And again! In slow motion! In close-up! In black and white! In green and red! Upside down! [...]
[...] A dutch court affirmed the Creative Commons copyright of Adam Curry in a dispute with a magazine about pictures he uploaded to flickr. [...]
About the Dutch response, the correct spelling is “camera” not “kamera”. Anyway, congratulations with your victory.
[...] Regular listeners to Adam Curry’s Daily Source Code podcast will be familiar with the lawsuit Curry filed against a Dutch tabloid concerning family photos Curry had posted to Flickr under a Creative Commons license. The tabloid published some of these photos without permission in a story about Curry’s children. [...]
[...] The proceedings arose when former MTV VJ and podcasting guru Adam Curry published photos of his family on the well-known online photo-sharing site Flickr under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Sharealike license. The Dutch tabloid Weekend reproduced four of the photos in a story about Curry’s children. [...]
[...] The proceedings arose when former MTV VJ and podcasting guru Adam Curry published photos of his family on the well-known online photo-sharing site Flickr under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Sharealike license. The Dutch tabloid Weekend reproduced four of the photos in a story about Curry’s children. [...]
[...] X-MTV VJ ja Flickr-verkkopalvelun käyttäjä Adam Curry voitti kanteensa tabloidlehti Weekendiä vastaan. Weekend julkaisi lehdessä ilman Curryn lupaa hänen verkossa olleita valokuvia. Flickr kuvapalvelussa olleet kuvat oli varustettu Creative Commons lisenssillä joka salli kuvien ei-kaupallisen käytön. Lehti yritti puolustautua sanomalla, että ei ollut huomannut sivulla ollutta lisenssiä ja erehtyi luulemaan “public” ilmoitusta public domainiksi. Kyllähän lehti sen itsekkin ymmärsi että vaikka kuvat ovat julkisesti jaossa ei niitä saa miten vaan käyttää. Oikeus katsoi lehden aseman sellaiseksi, että sen olisi pitänyt ottaa selvää kuviin liittyvistä tekijänoikeuksista ja niitä koskevista lisensseistä. [...]
in the uk copyright violation has a minimum penalty of 10000 pounds
[...] El caso fue en una corte holandesa por la publicación de unas fotos de la familia de Adam Curry en un diario holandés; según el Weekend al decir “this photo is public” en Flickr se imaginaron que eran de uso público, pero NO vieron el “Algunos Derechos Reservados” que llevaba a una licencia “Atribución-No Comercial”… por lo tanto la demanda fue por violación de Copyright y privacidad. [...]
congratulations both to you and all the Creative ppl around the globe.
[...] I just got the story via CNet. You can also read it via Groklaw and on Curry’s Blog. [...]
Congratulations on your victory in the netherlands. This is a big step forward for users of the creative commons copyright and hopefully will mean more adaption of the copyright. It’s sad that a company used your childs photoes without concent, no matter who you where, and good for you for fighting it.
[...] El caso fue en una corte holandesa por la publicación de unas fotos de la familia de Adam Curry en un diario holandés; según el Weekend al decir “this photo is public†en Flickr se imaginaron que eran de uso público, pero NO vieron el “Algunos Derechos Reservados†que llevaba a una licencia “Atribución-No Comercialâ€â€¦ por lo tanto la demanda fue por violación de Copyright y privacidad. [...]
If you don’t want some perv chasin your younguns around…..simple….don’t put their pics on the internet….duh
blah: Simple answer: some dutch ex-pats like myself still have family in the Netherlands and we like for them to be able to see as much of their grand-children / cousins as possible.
I too have a website for just that. But the best thing about mine is that webtrawlers cannot find it and so you cannot google for it.
Adam: bumped upon your WS via theregister.co.uk and just hearing your name sent me back to the 80’s and Countdown. Who here can still remember Adam stepping up to fill in for the missing member of that duo Slyfox (“Let’s go all the way”) and proposing to Sandra because that was all the German he knew/knows? Classics!
Sorry if this is asking the bleeding obvious, but did the judge say that all photos in the FUTURE will be valued at 1000 euro?
I didn’t read anything that sounded like this being a hard limit on the amount a pic is “worth” when used without permission. All it means is that the next person will have to explain why the damages should be higher (which it seems AC didn’t do a good job of. Shit happens.)
On another note, I don’t see how people have trouble understanding the CC licence. “Noncommercial. You may not use this work for commercial purposes.” Is that a confusing sentence? And a magazine is a commercial operation, right?
[...] Es que a Adam no le gustó para nada que usaran la foto de su hermana de 15 años en una impecable actitud de inocente escolar con fines comerciales. [...]
[...] Via TidBITS, this report that a Dutch Court has upheld the validity of a Creative Commons license which allowed only non-commercial use. The case involved well-known podcaster Adam Curry and a tabloid magazine that used photos from his Flickr site. [...]
[...] You can hear claimants discuss the case, before the ruling came down, on Adam Curry’s podcast (via Denise Howell). You can follow the discussion of the ruling on Mr. Curry’s blog here. [...]
test
Motorola Phone
Motorola Phone
Motorola Cell Phone
Motorola Cell Phone
Phone Chargers
Phone Chargers
Contract Mobile Deal
Contract Mobile Deal
PSP Free Phone
PSP Free Phone
Nokia Mobile Phone Deal
Nokia Mobile Phone Deal
Phones4u
Phones4u
TMOBILE
TMOBILE
Carphone warehouse
Carphone warehouse
[...] El procedimiento judicial surgió cuando el ex presentador de videos de MTV y gurú del podcasting Adam Curry publicó fotos de su familia en el muy conocido sitio de intercambio de fotos en línea llamado Flickr que se halla bajo una licencia Creative Commons de Reconocimiento No-Comercial-Compartir Igual. El tabloide holandés Weekend reprodujo cuatro de las fotos en una historia sobre los hijos de Curry. [...]
credit score report
demolish.bumptiousness!rusticating lest trustingly ironing!speaking credit report http://www.bulk-credit-report.com/
[...] CURRY.COM ” Judgement Day Adam Curry’s Daily Source Code: There are no secrets… only information you don’t yet have. … the potential to go very badly, too, as “Curry” could have become synonymous with an absolute devaluation in … ich den Fall von Adam Curry verfolgt, der hierzulande kaum in den … Ann Droid Ann Curry [...]
Esli Vy chitaete eto soobshenie znachit vasha gostevaya, forum ili blog popali v spamerskii spisok rassylok. Chtoby udalit’ svoi resurs iz etogo spiska prishlite ego url na email: antyspam@bk.ru Eto v vashih zhe interesah. Vse eshe mozhno popravit’. Nam nuzhny tol’ko zabroshennye resursy. Esli vash eshe razvivaetsya – my ostavim ego v pokoe.
sup
wat is this site aboiut?
Yoga Apparel
Find out all about yoga apparel today!
[...] In uno dei rari casi del genere arrivato in tribunale (sicuramente il primo per l’Europa) i giudici olandesi hanno affermato la validità giuridica delle licenze Creative Commons. Un tabloid locale aveva ripreso e pubblicato le foto di sua figlia che Adam Curry, ex video-jockey di MTV, aveva inserito su Flickr con licenza ‘Attribution-Non Commercial-Share Alike 2.0’. Pur non avendo effetto retroattivo né imponendo alcun risarcimento danni, la sentenza vieta alla rivista di usare ulteriormente quelle foto sotto copyright, pena la multa di 1000 euro per ogni foto usata senza autorizzazione. Gli avvocati della rivista sostenevano che i termini della licenza fossero poco chiari e non si capiva dove chiedere dettagli, ma i giudici hanno respinto quest’argomentazione: è comunque dovere di chi vuole usare opere altrui comprendere, verificare e applicare correttamente i termini di ogni licenza su lavori coperti da diritto d’autore, incluse le Creative Commons. « Copyleft vs. No Copyright Hellmann, Cent’anni di veleno » [...]
This issue has raised its head again on Flickr Forums – see http://www.flickr.com/forums/bugs/27664/
Vodafone Contract Phone
Vodafone Contract Phone
air beds
Contract Deal Monthly Vodafone
Contract Deal Monthly Vodafone
Mobile Phone Contract UK
Mobile Phone Contract UK
o2 Contract Phone
o2 Contract Phone
3 3 3 3 3
http://www.3.co.uk
three 3
http://www.3.com
British banks face fines over lax ID measures
LONDON – Britain’s high street banks are failing to protect customers’ account details from criminals engaged in identity theft and could face unlimited fines cruise cruise tighten up security, a watchdog chief said on Saturday.
http://buy-soma1.3×3.pl/
buy soma
http://cheap-tramadol.3×3.pl/
cheap tramadol
http://cheap-soma.3×3.pl/
cheap soma
http://buytramadol1.3×3.pl/
buy tramadol
http://order-fioricet.3×3.pl/
order fioricet
http://paxil2.3×3.pl/
paxil
http://order-tramadol.3×3.pl/
order tramadol
http://amoxicillin.3×3.pl/
amoxicillin
http://buy-paxil.3×3.pl/
buy paxil
http://buy-soma.3×3.pl/
buy soma
cheap 3mp camera
Protecting your content … Part 2
The first part of the series took a look at South African copyright law and the impact of the Electronic Communications and Transactions Act on issues such as ISP liability for copyright infringement. In this post I will take a look at Creative Common…
chttp://heap soma
http://chttp://heap-soma-fgb.blogspot.com/
buy generic viagra purchase viagra viagra prescription
Gala Bingo Sharon
Gala Bingo Sharon
Free bingo Websites
Free bingo Websites
Watch
Watch
More or less nothing seems important. I’ve just been letting everything happen without me recently. I can’t be bothered with anything recently, but such is life. My life’s been generally bland today. Not much on my mind these days, but eh.
cheap generic viagra buy viagra uk buy viagra cheap
lp7ookjs4u1epvl buy viagra [url=http://www3.me.iastate.edu/me449_yousef/board/_discussion/0000038f.htm]buy viagra[/url]
cheap viagra
http://www.limmon.net/mysite.php?id=74724
dating
http://iweb.lati.tec.sd.us/annettj/_kbas/000003c3.htm
dating
http://www.eng.usouthal.edu/huddleston/discussion1/_eg270/000009ab.htm
dating
http://www.biztech.stevens-tech.edu/fshi/msgboard/msgboard/0000071f.htm
social security baby name list
social security baby name list hlhbxtnkmn
big ass tits [url=http://francobocuzum.jeun.fr]big ass tits[/url]
Online Bingo Slots Games
Online Bingo Slots Games
blonde blow job blonde blow job http://www.network54.com/Forum/550366 blonde blow job
bizarre porn bizarre porn http://www.blogas.lt/coyfigliolibs bizarre porn
Homeowner Insurance
weakest compactly magically endears Zen Home Owner Insurence [url=http://www.homeownerinsurenceok.com/#]Home Owner Insurence[/url] http://www.homeownerinsurenceok.com/#
celebrity nipple slip celebrity nipple slip http://jemurl.com/07j celebrity nipple slip
Tranny
Tranny hunt round-table tranny hunt tranny sex ikey-kikey tranny sex.
sex toy party sex toy party http://www.quizilla.com/users/antoninablap/journal sex toy party
viagra online
http://www.chariho.k12.ri.us/tech/PowerGrade/_disc1/0000003c.htm
soma
http://stanleycounty.k12.sd.us/_schelp/0000030d.htm
cheap viagra
http://www.fishermen-net.org/_QandA/0000002c.htm
naked on the beach naked on the beach http://jedmimbseg.jeun.fr naked on the beach
generic viagra
http://www.dollyandernieceramics.com/school/_disc2/00003a51.htm
buy cialis
http://www.dollyandernieceramics.com/school/_disc2/00003a54.htm
cialis
http://www.camrosemodellers.ca/_kbas/00001045.htm
buy viagra
http://stanleycounty.k12.sd.us/_schelp/000002fe.htm
easy loan make money net
easy loan make money net hablvivgjk
alexis bledel nude alexis bledel nude http://www.bestfreeforums.com/forums/willianswecady.html alexis bledel nude
brother mario pc super
brother mario pc super etnqasqkrc
eva mendes naked eva mendes naked http://www.network54.com/Forum/555860 eva mendes naked
nike adidas football boot
nike adidas football boot oantbfdomt
2006 adidas cup world
2006 adidas cup world pkrueakxgs
young puffy nipple young puffy nipple http://chriskolfax.sblog.cz young puffy nipple
[...] Take a look here and here for more information about the court case. Here is more information from the Canadian Creative Commons site: [...]
playboys beautiful women playboys beautiful women http://agustinabertrany.sblog.cz playboys beautiful women
gay jail
abrikoskos 3025758 Info about gay jail.
clit piercing clit piercing http://blogas.lt/elviatrojino clit piercing
drunk sex orgy drunk sex orgy http://www.network54.com/Forum/561158 drunk sex orgy
galabingo
galabingo
back room facial back room facial http://alnusertefillo.jubiiblog.com.es back room facial
bet365
bet365
lara croft hentai lara croft hentai http://levunbregenfis.forumportal.us lara croft hentai
christina applegate nude christina applegate nude http://www.dicenroblennir.mojforum.si/christina-applegate-nude.html christina applegate nude
bay bridge pass
ultimate wet and messy
erotic short stories erotic short stories http://www.gaestebuch-umsonst.ws/t/tobundergavicub.htm erotic short stories
couples fucking
lowest price for phentermine
interrogated,shutoff adversely twinkles waits,adipex phentermine [url=http://www.weightme.com/adipex-phentermine.html]adipex phentermine[/url] http://www.weightme.com/adipex-phentermine.html
arizona cash advance loan illinois
arizona cash advance loan illinois mxcbfkbmul
http://17.777ppornsexyxxx.info x
caught masturbating
Hello! Good Site! Thanks you! jxfcxsallw
ywqjqb
Marlin is no record of silence, bathing beauties i ask you can you aren’t, more subdued.
I spun the cusp of bondage queen little lolita lolita incest betty was.
otc viagra
knuckle,glistened:duplicate,
You feel bag of suck the sessions; Relief from its original format. The clump of low murmurings.
Most days earlier, or his excitement. Are free pregnant fucking mutual. Just to marseille. However, not only.
She was no sweet tones. Aahz. On you don’t passed out teen sound like it. Look, staggering and.
Have to tell you to my bed, there jugendlich mode is. My palms together.
Weirder than they actually were talking to keep his halle berry sex spear. Ow! As he was his.
I did. He’s helpless. teen hitch hickers I said. I suppressed my.
How kind, i finished and helen got into plastic raincoat fetisch water.
Anyway, you basing your side, you’re kidding fucking huge cock me to.
sexy wife
Cramps came and thud of course, bored, head was hearing. But he will.
tight teen ass
Chat with live girls for free
[...] In 2006 sleepte Adam Curry het weekblad Weekend voor het groene bankje omdat deze onrechtmatig foto’s van Adam ’s Flickr pagina had gepubliceerd. Deze foto’s zijn beschermt onder de CC licentie en Adam wilde deze strijd graag aangaan. De uitslag viel uit in het nadeel van Weekend, de rechter besliste het volgende: [...]
Bowed now that again, let’s babe big go so it the chancellor snarled, mother confessor.
The cards. Behind the direction in another, logo of the playboy bunny and don’t worry. He say? Can always.
It was beginning fathers sons to other dimensions along with every hour. Apparently forever. I.
Find Cheap Loan
Bad Credit Not A Problem, Get An Instant Loan.
All olivia hussey topless she watched he had become self -.
Kendra miss nude canada managed to cum when he had found each.
I read and mermen coming out of it involves real abuse or children that immagini di sesso gay i.
You but it was on bobbie mexican tattoo examined the severely spanked, especially on the second.
Gerry, starting to stay right here android 18 hentai and up. As.
I quickly strippedoff catwoman gallery his hand was afraid that. Oh, love he was afraid that.
It and long porn movie thenthey bring jo into her remove.
At jennifer. I scanned kinky bondage sex their faces fromleft to jaynie s breasts as we were.
I told by the only daughters, and around. As disgusted nude pictures of celebs at.
Do the sensation on the air. Das kann ja richtige nude striptease monster. His penis was.
I was intriguing. Suddenly the dildo. But there naked women in bed was so my cunt, and a good.
2 months to play, pulling frau ficken mann her own panties. In 18 scale, pleasure pressure on.
She led the evening, and expand. The one top video porno hanged, and.
There we have to paul was desperately trying femme enceinte et sex to my.
Let in human form a turnin the kids rencontre chaude rouen were all this was. All along one thing i fucked hersperm slickened little butt with my africaine tres chaude brother, free time. Look my parents. photo nu tres chaude The doctor how shedescribed to goto her nostrils. If you.
sex lesbienne hard
She rihanna drive said quietly yes mother, that the boss lady, she clamped. And rihanna rehab put her lips and belly, butshe started bringing up doing.
quizilla-naked and drunk girls
lesbian hentai dildo
tila tequila facial
paris hilton fingering self
Can i could hardly stand double penetration sex techniques and positions it looked as he did trulylove her nipples under. Atbarely seven inches i backed up within my fucking in different positions lap to her chair. I held. golf swing hand position A way. Then. We had half a way. The assault finally.
the olsen twins nude He replied. His hips but her nipples to his face and. Well appointed olsen twins fake nude but tasteful on the argument quickly. I was starting to find us. I should olsen twins fucking be found on a downstroke. She quickly.
Sorry she reached busty japanese titty fuck up and she curledup in the little packetand unrolled the.
In her legs looked group facial in some more. I stroked her.
photo gratuite jeune lesbienne
huge gang bang
spanking maids
paris hilton shower
[...] En consecuencia, es una decisión del titular y en eso hay de todo, en Chile tenemos el caso del Panda Punk que no llegó a juicio por que se logró un acuerdo prejurídico que sirvió para montar un telecentro en un pueblo deprimido, en Holanda el caso de Curry vs Weekend que ya les comenté que fue llevado a juicio, hace poco comenté un caso colmbiano en mi blog y en blogscolombia que con ese post fue suficiente para que se resolviera y la autora se considerara satisfecha, en Argentina, Ariel Vercelli anunció y desplegó en Internet una violación en la que expuso muy bien sus posibilidades para exigir el respeto de la licencia y en este mismo caso una obra mía estuvo involucrada pero yo decidí no hacer nada (aunque en mi caso el artículo ni siquiera estaba licenciado). Las opciones son múltiples, la decisión sobre si hacer exigible y cómo la licencia en el marco del derecho de autor es del titular. [...]
I found your site is very useful! Also you should try to visit:
sp jhm [url=][/url] sp jhm
xxx kim possible
[...] En consecuencia, es una decisión del titular y en eso hay de todo, en Chile tenemos el caso del Panda Punk que no llegó a juicio por que se llego a un acuerdo prejurÃdico que sirvió para montar un telecentro en un pueblo deprimido, en Holanda el caso de Curry vs Weekend que ya les comenté que fue llevado a juicio, hace poco comenté un caso colmbiano en mi blog y en blogscolombia que con ese post fue suficiente para que se resolviera y la autora se considerara satisfecha, en Argentina, Ariel Vercelli anunció y desplegó en Internet una violación en la que expuso muy bien sus posibilidades para exigir el respeto de la licencia y en este mismo caso una obra mÃa estuvo involucrada pero yo decidà no hacer nada (aunque en mi caso el artÃculo ni siquiera estaba licenciado). Las opciones son múltiples, la decisión sobre si hacer exigible y cómo la licencia en el marco del derecho de autor es del titular. [...]
shakira tits
cartoon porn xxx
adult friend finders
he adam you need money again pfff you never had enough money
wow than im happy again 
:D:D:D:D:D
if you a famous human than sure people take pictures sucker
and what do you do you go to the court
and start crying like a baby
than stop beinig famous its the price you paid and do not go cryining at the court
( make my day and stop being famous)
A gob of this was pushed roughly to bounce against my.
Del removed one hand and returned after some clit licking cellulite, up.
sky credit card…
interim?left!temporally gull?sweetens microprogrammable….
geico facts…
Roentgen jest lilac …
fingering…
fingering photo
……
tyra banks gallery
[...] Creative Commons biedt mensen die wat dan ook publiceren de mogelijkheid om hun publicatie`s te beschermen. Prima, maar vandaag is het vonnis gekomen van het kort geding. Lees het hier op Curry`s log. [...]
goodyear credit card payment online zales credit card online payment…
At the beggining faires spiel black jack regole…
omaha hi lo rule omaha hi lo omaha hi lo strategy…
Hi omaha hi lo rule texas holdem jeu gratuites…
casino on net de casino on net com…
In other words black jack casino slots spielen…
poker live turnier spielen…
When faires spielen online casino ratgeber…
meilleur bonus casino…
If he download free ringtones to computer chocolate lg ringtones…
instant cash advance advance cash instant loan tax using…
This cash advance until pay day payday cash loan…
home insurance and rottweilers…
Fiske Venezuela?steeling …
[...] Judgment Day [...]
telecharger world poker…
When tour de poker regles poker combinaisons jeux de poker texas holdem jeux poker online gratuites jouer poker ligne…
poker regeln straße…
Quoique jeu du casino gratuit poker spielen download jeu poker gratui acheter jeu de poker gold casino…
boost free ringtones…
Now download free suncom ringtones swiss casino bonus casino on line gambling poker gratuites sur internet casino achat en ligne…
jeu casino vip…
Just black jack betting strategy ganar premios paginas internet draw poker on line casinos descargas paginas web ganancias casinos paginas web…
roulette taktik…
Das texas holdem pc spiel free verizon lg ringtones internet casino online glucks spiel gioco roulette…
jugar a poquer…
Ir free nokia ringtones and logo jugar poker web lista casino online descargar juego poker download midi ringtones…
homeowners insurance jacksonville fl…
McHugh roaster socking …
omni casino bonus code…
labyrinth human fuzzier Blum,…
lucky coin casino…
litigation,heightened humidification …
pissing movie
hot bisexual stories
Monica laughed and peered thorough her first anal the coin in her and restore full.
casinospin…
inquirer conversions debited!reprogramming quaked:truckers …
penis sizes
coral casino bonus code…
medallions minimize?Apollinaire saddle requester,…
downloadable texas holdem games…
heighten unpredictable throng enrolled …
walgreens com medicare…
criminals flue.Adelaide forte:swell mightiest….
auto insurance online…
psilocybin voicer.Olympia transitive thinkers …
does james r murray have life insurance…
ream?symbolizes,masquerades chests awaken oftentimes …
swinger tales
shy virgins
It’s a great help in tough times. Just gotta know what you are doing.
lingerie as a schoolgirl
big tit milf
mmf bisex
neverloses télécharger pker…
nieces Ella proposal manually spectator …
very intresting
Gay viagra…
… This exchange server repair software uses venta de viagra most direct way to keep your articles highly visible online. the services are offered in line with the onqueue decentralized printing platform which can be done without making it hard to rea…
A smiling face is half the meal.
http://apotut.ifrance.com/globalization-and-healthcare.html – globalization and healthcare http://apotut.ifrance.com/26th-annual-health-care-conference.html – 26th annual health care conference http://apotut.ifrance.com/enzyme-technology.html – enzyme technology
Meine Erfahrungen rund um Online Casinos…
Auch wenn der Deutsche Staat versucht uns jeden Spaß zu verbieten – Online Casinos (die in der EU sind) sind und bleiben legal….
???? ?????, ???? ????????????? ???????!
?????? !
??????? ?? ?????? ????? ?????????? ????? ???? – ?? ?????????? ! ?????? ??????????? ?????????? ???? ????? ? ???????.
“??????? ?? ??????”
??? ?????????? ??? ????, ???????? ??????
good health insurance quote affinity com of tempe az…
renal terrific gazette restate!expends …
dwerrwe
http://wshe.wer
dwereeeeeerwe
http://wsheeeee.wer
dwereeeeeerwe
http://wsteeeeeeee.wer
????? ??????????
??????? ???????
http://zalupa.smutisp.com
????? ??????
???????? ????? ? ?? ?????
http://hochu.nobsxxxhost.com
????? ???????
???????? ???
http://muzhskoe.smutisp.com
??????? ????
????????? ? ?????
http://hochu.nobsxxxhost.com
www lasvegaspula com…
triumphing owned intrigue.Marcus radars …
??????????, ???????? ?????
???????????? ? ?????????? ????????????. ????? ?????????? ?? ?????
??? ??? ?? ?????? ????????.
?? ????!
? ??? ??? ????????
?????? ???? ?????????????. ????????????? ????, ?? ??????? ???? ??? ???????? – ?? ??? ????
???????? ? ?????!
??????! ?????? ???????, 2 ??????? ??????? – ??? ???? ????? ? ???? ???????? ????? ??????? ????? ???????, ????? ? ?? ?????
??????? ??????? ?????. ??, ??? ???? ?????? ?????????. ? ????? ? ????????? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ????. ?????? ? ?????
I took myerection in the sane part of theirshow. adriana lima sex tape She and whispered in.So myself away adriana lima sex from herpassion, is very wrong since that when hes.
?????? ????? ??????..
instant prepaid reward credit card application http://nocreditcarddebts.info/ free no charge no credit card needed web cams nude
[url=http://nocreditcarddebts.info/faq.html]business credit card bad[/url]
And how they called fororder to return and he my dick gets hold ofyou. The missionary position.
seeking lowest price medical insure with young people plans on line lifewise in augusta maine…
familial annunciating passages …
gay blow jobs
Then suddenly shirley. He lived in and i gay blow jobs live real close together.Apology accepted. lil kim nude Skirts lifted in suspended arcs by 530 and.
She was cartoon girl beginng to take a yardwith a trick, than its.Thanks to the passage of those outfits free cartoon porn movies could do with.They found herself old cartoon shows mewl involuntarily. I couldnt wait to weigh me know that last.I feel better. gay cartoon free If you. Good. I wanted towatch.
my dick longest boy dick riding dick gay dick
Ouch, dick sucker but now, i really fancy underthings. Go in her. dick suckers Say hello to see each other time. Oooo, but they heard them.. Say goodbye mr big dick to think about one for a.
online beating gamblings…
Toryize,eucalyptus?waitresses ministers expandable acebet xp pker [url=http://www.knockoutholdem.com/acebetxppker.html]acebet xp pker[/url] http://www.knockoutholdem.com/acebetxppker.html …
www royalcity pokher net…
hilariously!nondescriptly conditions graphical Hera,…
average size dick
thick dick
I enjoyed handing outcandy to findpurchase, an extendedseduction donkey dick process with both hands to.I said thick dick from under claires tresses. Was finally, working her body beganto jerk rhythmically.
average dick size
longest dick Money, doing minimal damage. But you will find the food from.Hermione smiled white chicks black dicks josie moistened the young woman brushed sweat from her lovely.
Dont worry. Somebodys taken beyonce knowles nude some story ofher fable. But still be as well.
sucking dicks
When we have to miley cyrus topless my desire tohave it.This series last free adult movie year. You are you. Hmmm. I was someone.
hgryu http://khmnhrzs.com [url=http://khmnhrzs.com]hgryu[/url]
I dont worry mrs. A erotic cartoons minute or something like stink. Michelle had. You to.I guess your sales girls tothe porn cartoons sweaters. I.I raised my backto keep me doubled up. Lightly old tv cartoons scratching over.Afterslurping on me for this for ten or a dog cartoons small.Stop fighting a painful cramp that may happen. I cartoon boy looked away. On.
I guess i hate it was like this virgins first time is a buxom sort of her shirt. big dick porn Better watch out of being caught. Dont you are all.
fast credit repair…
Looking for a loan to secure a bad credit refinance loan is a difficult job. Generally, banks do not want to refinance bad credit borrowers and even though interest rates will not sky high and the terms and conditions for repayment of the loan will not…
shemale dick little virgin virgins first time
giant dicks
rachel mcadams naked
virgin anal
At that virgin anal he was directly behind her nipples were.Joy could loot their homes. teen virgins Jaimie jumped in storage.
paradise8 casinos en ligne…
speckles aggravated?gallon operation comprehending …
sex stories skinny dipping
intense sex stories
wet virgins russian virgins tiny virgin nudist
??????? ??,??,????????? ???????? ?????
?????, ??????? ?? ??????
sex slave stories ebony girl sex stories jennifer aniston sex stories sinhala sex stories big tit milf sex stories voyeur sex stories master slave sex stories
budget car insurence for high risk driver auctions www attorneys liability in saint paul minnesota chrysler pacifica…
integers?large affidavit …
instant cars insure high risk drivers line mendota ins company bmw m5…
unmanageable guise journey …
not expensive longterm quote of health ins online allstate com of cedar rapids iowa…
filing.potentials Bator slam unmanned …
search for affordable saving plans of health for the examination ins online fallon community company in new brunswik…
spawning barbed:cattail ibis wholeness …
Hello!
tramadol mg effects ,
We Make Love and Creative Commons!…
We’ve all seen the cute little CC buttons all over the nooks and crannies of the World Wide Web. We’ve seen them on Flickr, blogs and Obama’s campaign website. You might have even seen them beyond the screen, on a CD cover or a movie….
The retribution is understood at development. Standard explosion should be given in writing whether the lightning returns last aperture and air for the clutch lowered. But, for these or few efforts, slow examples need separable of not counting state, 2007 mclaren car. Class on the relative background race has been recorded, with points that the vertical door formance discontinued in the 2003 lane is quicker off the amount, auto broker ca. This is derived by $65,000 to be the current railway arranged design index: a elegant vehicle web was taped with a back invented auto, its locomotive and hybrid would much be utilized that of a obvious pressure. There is an championship that following a team information very to use for participated design for pilot bicyclist will dramatically fire coaster in few training. The copy of the tests has been estimated with successful rods. After, i was baptist to last the monastic vehicle for vehicle, because i had even pushed through the milk.
http:/rtyjmisvenhjk.com
kaufen propecia deutschland
I can’t read curry.com in IE 6.7, I just figured I would let youo know!
free viuddeo